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Post by regdunlop on Jun 11, 2008 20:02:30 GMT -5
I read in todays paper that Daulton Leveille said he did better than most people expected at the NHL combines. He did not. Overall, he finished just about where the teams expected: in the bottom 5%. And that group was way off the mean average. The NHL does make these results public in a couple of weeks.
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Post by leafsfan on Jun 12, 2008 8:31:19 GMT -5
Good luck in the draft with those results Dalton. 20th in scoring in an average Jr. B league with much parity. Things are lookinng great for next weekend.
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Post by hockeyguy1 on Jun 12, 2008 9:20:03 GMT -5
Obviously more bitter jealous parents or players. He placed 3rd in the vertical jump with Stamkos and was in the top 10 percent on the wingate test. So he has endurace and leg strength. Everyone knows he has no upper body strength and has never lifted a weight untill a few weeks ago. He is right he did do better then people expected. I expected him dead last in strength. This will be viewed as a positive by many teams. Skilled player great skater who can only get stronger since he is starting at square 1. I hope all you guys have the gonads to come back on to this site after June 21 and admit you were wrong. Probably not you will always be bitter jealous people. By the way all I hear is how poorly he did in a second rate league. I seem to recall some great playoff hockey and a very motivated player under a real coach. There is a line miles long of kids that would not play for Cole. Perhaps the NHL people know more than you guys. Be happy for a local kid doing well. Good Luck Dalton
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Post by regdunlop on Jun 12, 2008 9:24:47 GMT -5
Leafs fan - The teams that are high on Leveille are giving him a Pass on the bad results. When you consider some other prospects drop from 1st to 3rd rounders with this type of result, and still others get booted from the draft entirely. The teams that like him are only looking at his skating skills and seem oblivious to all else. It is a puzzle, but he will not drop because of the poor results. There are three or four teams that have put a high priority on skating ahead of all else. There are a limited amount of high end skaters in the draft. The teams know this and they also know who is in this race and they are prepared to take him early because of this. Talk about the right place at the right time! Good Luck Daulton.
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Post by regdunlop on Jun 12, 2008 10:34:04 GMT -5
The key word in my initial post is overall as in all the categories. As you said, he did well in the vertical, as did most of the draftees who were in around 165 lbs. You are also correct that he did the same in the vertical as Steve Stamkos. What you failed to mention is that Stamkos was way better in all other categories. You also say he wasn't dead last in the strength category, pointing to this as a positive. Once again true, but who would have thought that another draftee could only do one 150 lbs bench press. Daulton did two, once again real bad considering the mean average was 12 and the top performer had 31. This bottom group didn't even beat the goalies.
I was waiting for your rant Hockeyguy1 or whatever alias you are using today. If someone writes anything on here that you believe is not positive you start playing the jealousy and bitter rant. This is just a statement of facts, and the facts are that Daulton Leveille did as expected at the combines - poorly.
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Post by gunnerstahl on Jun 12, 2008 12:27:37 GMT -5
It's just pathetic that people are so quick to point out flaws. Reg dunlop, you think an NHL scout is oblivious to anything regarding the players they scout, that's an intelligent comment haha. Skating is the most important part of the game today and they realize he is a raw talent. The physical strength will come with hard work and time, elite level skating never comes for some players and he already has that which is why scouts are so high on him. He played in the GHL and he is a potential first rounder, why can't you just be happy for the league and area? He is a young kid and would be eligible for the draft next year as well so I don't see why you are all so worried, I know Daulton isn't. He has 4 years to develop for the NHL if he chooses to stay all 4, that's a long time to work on physical strength and only get better as a player. Best of luck Daulton and you will do fine despite a bunch of nobodies who can't even say they are hasbeens saying otherwise.
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Post by regdunlop on Jun 12, 2008 13:22:41 GMT -5
There has been an incredible amount of interest in Leveille at the higher levels of hockey. It is a hot topic among NHLers and there are a lot of different views, ranging from 1st round pick to wouldn't touch him. If he does play even one game in the NHL, then there will be a lot of GM's that will re-evaluate how they rank the prospects.
This is not a knock against the kid at all, but reality. An average regular season, a good play-off, a below average combine and playing in a league that is not considered a top providor of NHL talent.
There is no other prospect that has provided such a wide range of opinions in the last ten years. The last thing I will say about this subject is that getting drafted in the NHL is a good accomplishment. I wish him well, but I will allow time to indicate whether he is ready for the Hall of Fame.
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Post by hockeyguy1 on Jun 12, 2008 13:52:19 GMT -5
Regdunlop no team will care about his current lack of strength, his lack of it is a fact. His skating and skill are also a fact. Give him a year or two at Michigan State and he may look like his older brother 6'0 200 lbs. Only old school coaches like Cole think like you and Dalton paid that price already hence average season, NCAA coaches and NHL scouts know talent and will project that out a couple of years hence his value. Right place, right time welcome to the world for each and everyone of us.
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Post by regdunlop on Jun 12, 2008 14:16:31 GMT -5
Wrong again. No-one has confused Leveille with the skill level that other smallish type forwards like Patrick Kane and Sam Gagnier have exhibited. He is no near as gifted in the skill level as the majority of OHLer's Skating right now is it and that is something that is being mulled over. Is skating enough? That is the reason for the debate. Your claim that size and strength are the only attributes he does not possess is wrong.
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Post by hockeyguy1 on Jun 12, 2008 14:40:19 GMT -5
Reg sorry for questioning your all knowing knowledge of the game and in particular your incredible understanding of Leveille's strength and weaknesses. I bow to your wisdom. I'm sure Cole thought the same way and tried to beat it into him until Garry showed up. Perhaps you should head up central scouting as well then all the OHLer's with superior skill can be on the lists instead of local kids like Leveille. After all who wants a small town kid who has only ever played in his own community to make it anyways. Your right the odds are stacked up to high against it. Sorry Daultan Reg says no soup for you.
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Post by regdunlop on Jun 12, 2008 14:49:21 GMT -5
Ouch, more mud. Oh well, remember "It isn't a lie if you believe it. "
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Post by hockeyguy1 on Jun 12, 2008 15:07:12 GMT -5
I'm glad you beleive what you say then Reg, I would not want to think you would ever knowing lie.
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Post by gunnerstahl on Jun 12, 2008 15:18:50 GMT -5
I'm done arguing with Reg dunlop.
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Post by frenchman on Jun 12, 2008 22:06:13 GMT -5
A few things for thought, we knew he wouldnt do well..hes not a big kid, it will hurt him yes maybe, will playing jr.b hurt him absolutely, will going to michigan state help? of course, only time will tell, dont make any opinions till you see him play against better players.. weve only seen him in jr.b, not ohl, not ushl, not even tier 2..let the kid make his own way
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Post by regdunlop on Jun 13, 2008 10:59:50 GMT -5
This is not mine, but has been the latest information available on Leveille. I believe there is some balance to this report and indicates both his upside and downside.
Daultan Leveille
C
5’10.7”, 163 lbs
Average draft prediction: 42
Leveille is one of the fastest players in the draft, and his speed is what makes him a dominant player in junior B. Of course, he possesses good puck skills and offensive instinct, which makes him a potential top 40 selection. Unfortunately for him, there are many concerns about him. Some say he’s really soft and doesn’t compete hard enough. Others are more concerned about his lack of strength, and he’s really lanky. Leveille also doesn’t shine in the defensive work of his game. It is those things that make him a project that could pay off after a few years in University of Michigan.
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Post by hockeyguy1 on Jun 13, 2008 11:36:56 GMT -5
Reg you get more obsessed with the Leveille thing everytime I look. What do you do spend your time looking for articles on him. You just substantiated what I've been saying. Small town local kid that has only ever played in St Catharines is projected at 42 (mid second round NHL draft) and has a full ride to MSU. No matter what happens now he is already a winner. Who cares about his size and strength he has already acheived more then he was probably expecting. Just be happy for a young local player even if you don't like the way be plays. Others do. I wish as a Falcon fan he would have played for Garry all year long, he as well as, the rest of the team would have been more exciting to watch.
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