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Post by guru on Apr 4, 2008 15:17:54 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Apr 4, 2008 21:36:53 GMT -5
3 stars...
#1 Brad Jackson...SC
#2 CJ Dickson...Thor
#3 Daultan Leveille...SC
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Post by sebbyt on Apr 4, 2008 21:46:24 GMT -5
and no stars for the two "refs". one of them had a "t" in his name that didn't belong and the other just doesn't belong. great game, with the exception of the guys from both teams flopping around trying to draw penalties. just because the refs are idiots, doesn't give you the right to exploit their idiocy. the refs were searle and mor(t)on. i want the refs from game three back, one penalty each team. look for scarsella to rebound from tonights performance where he was fighting the puck all night even on dump ins. great heart falcons. congratulations on being willing to go into the boards daulton and great winning goal. never ever give up.
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Post by guru on Apr 4, 2008 21:55:29 GMT -5
+/- is only recorded in even strength situations.
Dickson had two even strength points...Goal, assist
Only 2 of SC goals were scored at even strength.
So if Dickson was on the ice for those 2 goals against (and I am not sure that he was), at worst he was 0... so I don't know where you get the "big minus".
Dickson and Bellows were the 2 best Hawks...but Dickson works harder.
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Post by guru on Apr 4, 2008 21:57:37 GMT -5
yup...the refs were terrible...for both teams.
What a difference when you have quality refs...like in game 5 in Thorold.
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Post by sebbyt on Apr 4, 2008 22:34:11 GMT -5
are you a team stats guy or do you just have way too much time on your hands. and what is in YOUR pocket protector? i am just kidding. actually the guy who does stats for the falcons has done it for years and does a good job for what it is worth.
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Post by sebbyt on Apr 4, 2008 22:52:08 GMT -5
in a close game like that i could see one player from thorold getting a star. i thought campbell played well for thorold as well as his linemates. guys like ziraldo played their hearts out and it put power back into the legs of the falcons who i must say i thought were done when it went 3-1 and even 4-3. i guess i should take my own advice about the falcons and believe they have what it takes. as long as there is effort. and yes i noticed the falcons celebrating tonight and in game one. got one question - who's hungry.
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Post by groulxisright on Apr 4, 2008 23:26:34 GMT -5
A question for people about the Falcons goal that was called back. At that time I was sitting in the corner to the right of the net and I never saw the puck cross the line. From what I saw it landed on the line but didn't go completely over it. Can anyone say they honestly saw it completely across the line?
Also on that play I love the way that fans from every section are yelling and screaming at the ref that it was a goal, even fans at the far end. I know these refs are horrible but if I'm 200+ feet away from the goalline and he's standing 2 feet behind the net, I'm gonna have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by kingstonn030 on Apr 4, 2008 23:37:07 GMT -5
No way, it did not cross the line....close, but not partially or completely over. The ref was in position to see it. Unfortunately the one in the other end was not paying attention to when the falcons goalie intentionally and deliberately and blatantly pushed the net off in the other end, it wasn't even completed by his leg pushing it off, but his blocker hand opening and grasping the goalpost.
Yes I had moved to another spot at that point, so I could see it. Everyone on that side could see it.
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Post by kingstonn030 on Apr 5, 2008 0:01:20 GMT -5
I couldn't see what happen after the net was off. (which is why I didn't comment on the possibility of a goal) I just couldn't understand how the referee didn't see the goalie do it.. delay of game, penalty shot. Should have been something because it was no accident.
Agreed, Hawks dropped the ball and I am clearly making some excuses. But (edit).
How will Monday top that game?
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Post by hockeydoc on Apr 5, 2008 10:20:13 GMT -5
Question if the Falcon tender did kick the net of intentionally and the ref had called it,what would be the call... Delay of game or Penalty shot.. ?And who was the guy screaming at Gary ??Well im off to South Carolina tonight ,it should be another great game in Thorold on Monday.What a great series 2 OT.. Each team winning twice in the other teams barn..I wish i had been able to see more of it ..Its a lot more exciting the the OPJHL playoffs this year...
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Post by mia on Apr 5, 2008 10:27:10 GMT -5
The goalie did not knock it of #4 pushed it off and the referee saw the whole thing right in front of him but would not make the call for a penalty shot. But over and above that Hubbard did get out coached.He should of shortened his bench with10 minutes to go in the third period and gone with4 D.Then in the overtime he puts out Braun a 16 year old kid no experience they go right around him, goal.Game 7 here we come.And if St. Catherines wins this series it will come down to that,mark my words!
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Post by hockeyjockey on Apr 5, 2008 10:37:07 GMT -5
I couldn't make the game, but noticed everyone is slamming the refs. Morton & Searle were the same pair that officiated the double OT game between Niagara Falls & Port Colborne in round 1. Everyone raved about them after that game. What did they do different last night?
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Post by sphinc on Apr 5, 2008 11:00:58 GMT -5
Wondering if you know how many shifts Braun would have had before that MIA? Hurts when your sitting there for most of the game and then they whip you out here in OT. If your going to give green D-men ice time it should be in the first and second not OT. OT is for the top 3 or 4 guys on D, thats it.
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Post by kingstonn030 on Apr 5, 2008 11:31:48 GMT -5
okay Goalie and Defense knock the net off.... two penalties.  |
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Post by mia on Apr 5, 2008 11:39:58 GMT -5
Sphinc I agree with you 100% and what does come down to or better yet who put him out there.Hubbard.He has no feel for the game and what is worse he cannot run a bench.But what do you expect this glorified Minor hockey!
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Post by trainwreck on Apr 5, 2008 13:05:11 GMT -5
Mia, I was at the game also & there was NO question, the net was intentionally taken off by the Defenseman , I actually thought it was # 6 but it might have been #4. The ref did see it but obviously didn't call it. I think he didn't call it because, he would of had two choices to make instantly. 1- call a penalty shot or 2- allow the goal. He didn't want to make that choice.
As for coaching, I don't think # 3 was a factor in the st.kitts ot goal , lots happened before that goal for thorold to have put the game away.
Late in the 3rd period, faceoff in thorold zone, top line LOST faceoff, then they fail to get the puck out on 2-3 occassions.
With the game on the LINE, with an open net 200 ft away & an opportunity to finish the series, NEVER EVER put your top productive line out. they think differently than your defensively minded players. That my friends, was the TSN turning point.
Everyone can (edit) & complain about refs, & calls but no one can control that. You can only manage what you can .
Game 7 will be a beauty, I plan to attend, to see which coaching staff adapts Best under the extreme pressure of becoming the GHL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS, and the potentional birth of advancing to the SUTHERLAND CUP.
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Post by OffTheRecord on Apr 5, 2008 13:50:54 GMT -5
I wasn't there, so I don't know the situation but......
The rule states that if the net is, in the opinion of the referee, intentionally dislodged by a defending player including the goalie a delay of game penalty is called. If it occurs within the last 2 minutes of regulation time, or, at any time in OT a penalty shot is awarded.
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Post by hockeytalk08 on Apr 5, 2008 18:57:49 GMT -5
i have to agree with "trainwreck"... the net was taken off my #6 and i cannot c how one of the refs or linesman could not have seen it... the only possible idea that came to mind was the refs tryin to give somethings back to the falcons because of their dissallowed goal.. i was not able to see it and i hav heard ppl say it was a goal and iv heard others say it was not so that is all i could come up with.. but game 7 could not b any bigger..cant wait!!!
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Post by kingstonn030 on Apr 5, 2008 20:34:25 GMT -5
The other ref didn't back down to the horns and goal celebration on the falcon non-goal, he was in position and made the right call, I would say confident in the decision because he made it right away waving it off, letting everyone know. It slide across, barely even touching the goal line, let alone crossing it. A big deal was made because it was behind the goalie and so close, but it DID NOT cross the line.
If the referees opinion was that knocking the net off was not deliberate then he shouldn't be reffing, it was a desperation move that worked out for them, but was oh so obvious (much like the Hawks diving). Also trying to give something back is not acceptable and would show he has little faith in his partner out there which is sad to see and he shouldn't be officiating that game if he is unable to make such a potentially game-altering call.
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Post by sphinc on Apr 6, 2008 17:16:55 GMT -5
You can complain all day long about a non-call but making a bad decision as a coach can crush you. I will be there and cheering for THE THOROLD BLACKHAWKS.
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